Curse

Stuart444 · May 27, 2010, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by windtalker

I am in an alliance of PvE people who as a general rule don't bot, but every single person I've heard of who got banned either was an occasional botter for consumable titles, or used TexMod/KSMod and that was it. So...either they are going to be dicks and lock people out so their numbers look good, or A LOT of people are going to get their accounts back.

1) occasional botting = wont get account back and 2) people who use KSMod/TexMod but were banned may have been lying and therefore won't get their accounts back (also, please read the word MAY have not meaning definite)

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Texmod gives an advantage to those doing cartographer. So why isn't it banned?

And my egg timer is a hardware that gives me an advantage to know when to clicky clicky.

As was said, I guess I'll hang for my eggtimer, and since were living in such a state many people should expect to get their hands chopped off for stealing turnips in order to feed their starving families.

Ungle · May 27, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

never used anything but texmod and multilaunch, and my acc is dead. Appealing now

End · May 27, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Texmod gives an advantage to those doing cartographer. So why isn't it banned?

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'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Reread...While it does give an advantage...it dosen't play the game for you...so it is in anets discretion as to whether its ok or not...They seem to think it is not enough of an advantage to warrant bannings

windtalker · May 27, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

So, a stimulation of the economy is harmful?

What economy? Anet killed it already by making rare skins common as they released new games, making things inscribable, and by their constant nerf/buff strategy of speedclear.

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by BladeDVD

I know the point you're trying to make.

What I'm trying to point out to you is whether you are right or wrong about your point doesn't matter. If it is a bot, it is a bannable offense, whether it is good, bad or indifferent to the state of the game.

Okay, but agreed or disagree that a ruler/judge that actually takes the nature of offense into consideration is better?

snaek · May 27, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Texmod gives an advantage to those doing cartographer. So why isn't it banned?

most likely detection, they can't tell the difference between texmod being used for cartography or texmod being used for something else. that'd be the official response anyways, the unofficial one: we don't care enough to put in the time or effort to ban them.

let me tell you right now regarding drunkard bots. i know many people who have used them, and many of them are not banned. detection for it is either harder, or they just don't care enough to bother to detect/ban them. so all this argument whether using drunkard bots is bannable or not is kinda pointless, because i don't think they'll be likely to ban for them. that doesn't however change the fact that it is cheating and is a bannable offense. i actually know someone who have been banned for it before today's 3900.

(btw 3900 should become the new 9000)

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Oggy

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

Texmod gives an advantage to those doing cartographer. So why isn't it banned?

You got me there.... that is one negative when you have control of the textures sitting there in memory. Seeing as the clouds are just textures, someone found out how to recolor them. But still.. meh. I think the bots that automate your game play are far more of a problem here than one that changes textures to get a non-economy effecting title.

Gill Halendt · May 27, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

People grasping at straws in defense of an autoclicker aka "drunkard bot" make me laugh.

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You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input

Cool Down · May 27, 2010, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Ungle

never used anything but texmod and multilaunch, and my acc is dead. Appealing now

Well if you have been synching RA or cheating in PvP in any way your banned as well.

windtalker · May 27, 2010, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

1) occasional botting = wont get account back and 2) people who use KSMod/TexMod but were banned may have been lying and therefore won't get their accounts back (also, please read the word MAY have not meaning definite)

Yeah I agree with your assessment. However kind of sucks for the people using Drunkard macros...when Anet employees SPECIFICALLY SAID that these macros would not be pursued.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by End

Reread...While it does give an advantage...it dosen't play the game for you...so it is in anets discretion as to whether its ok or not...They seem to think it is not enough of an advantage to warrant bannings

I think you should reread it, tbh. The language states that any advantage is something you can be banned for.

windtalker · May 27, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

People grasping at straws in defense of an autoclicker aka "drunkard bot" make me laugh.

Again, people seem to forget the times when ANet employees said that Drunkard bots would not be pursued as "cheating."

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

You got me there.... that is one negative when you have control of the textures sitting there in memory. Seeing as the clouds are just textures, someone found out how to recolor them. But still.. meh. I think the bots that automate your game play are far more of a problem here than one that changes textures to get a non-economy effecting title.

A different tune on essentially the same argument whistled from a different angle because you likely used it.

What about the people who charge for map checking isn't this malicious towards them?

IS THERE NO [email protected]?

Rocky Raccoon · May 27, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by windtalker

Again, people seem to forget the times when ANet employees said that Drunkard bots would not be pursued as "cheating."

I have never seen that could you please show me an example.

End · May 27, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Oggy

I think you should reread it, tbh. The language states that any advantage is something you can be banned for.

Can...it only states you WILL be banned...They can choose not to ban for texmod if they feel it dosen't give enough of an advantage to warrant the action.

byteme! · May 27, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by windtalker

Again, people seem to forget the times when ANet employees said that Drunkard bots would not be pursued as "cheating."

Anet has changed their stance on issues on many occasions. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what matters is their stance NOW.

-Martian- · May 27, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

...and Dhuum walked among mere mortals and took them all.

Epic.

Finally, good work Anet

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

I have never seen that could you please show me an example.

I'd appreciate it aswell.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Anet has changed their stance on issues on many occasions. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what matters is their stance NOW.

Which is what people are asking.